Allan Holdsworth full interview - life, music, bands, guitars
Original video URL, since deleted: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TSgFJ2EuA4
Archived version: http://web.archive.org/web/20170811225855/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TSgFJ2EuA4
This interview comes from a Carvin DVD that came out in the late 90s, when the first Carvin Holdsworth model was introduced. Allan talks about his musical roots and his career. A large portion is obviously dedicated to promoting the Carvin guitar. More than any other endorsement deal that Allan ever made, Allan's words ring true, simply considering the fact that Allan would remain with the company for the rest of his life, and keep on introducing new Holdsworth models.
The transcription is pretty faithful to the original video, Allan's spoken style has been retained. A few jokes have been omitted, as they didn't translate very well to the written world. A segment referring to a particular model of Carvin power amps has also been omitted, since the model number was hard to make out.
The interview is also notable as it starts off with a few minutes of Allan played his Carvin unaccompanied in the studio. He plays some freewheeling improvisational lines, as well as doing the theme to "Bo Peep" from the "Flat Tire" album.
Original transcript
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beautiful man
[Laughter]
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you
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[Applause]
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awesome man how how did you first decide
that you wanted to play music did you
grow up the musical family kinda dated
sorry I shall I did yeah I
my father was a my father is a really
great musician is kind of player text
and he studied classical music and there
was a big jazz fan so he had all all of
these records lying around even way way
before I could even think about learning
how to read or anything I just hear all
this stuff and I used to be able to find
you find these records just by the
scratch marks on the labels and anything
you know I'd be able to identify which
record I was going to hear and he was
really really amazing with his hands
overall he's a fantastic artist great
painter great caricaturist would work he
was a fantastic carpenter used to make
all the toys around and he made me my
first record player side in that so he
wouldn't have been messing with his yeah
he didn't trust me with something but so
I had all this music and I loved it and
I couldn't understand why I'd listen to
something I'd start feeling like I
wanted to cry you know there's like no
what's going on and he plays something
else I'd feel kind of a happier every
night I just got all these feelings from
music you know and so I never ever ever
thought about playing a musical
instrument
I just wanted to be someone who loved it
because I just loved what it was doing
so
it was many many years later when I
stayed becoming interested in wanting
the player like a whore and a saxophone
because I started listening to a lot of
saxophones on because there was a lot of
saxophones on his wreck you know his
records but saxophones were pretty
expensive back then so I ended up with a
guitar and all I did was stand in front
of the mirror with it pretending I was
Elvis pleasantly or something you know I
didn't really have any interest in the
guitar only something I could blow you
know I didn't want a percussive
instrument he tried to interest me in
the piano and I'd I just felt so alien
to me like it and I and when I hear
these great musicians playing it it's so
beautiful and I love the sound of it but
it wasn't for me you know I couldn't get
anything out of it and I guess he left
the guitar around long enough I started
noodling with it because I realized I
wasn't going to get a saxophone so but I
never thought about ever being a
professional musician it never crossed
my mind and I absolutely did not start
learning how to play the guitar because
I want to pick up girls
so it's art now when you found that you
had an accident R and you started
playing in different bands I mean how
how does one go from sitting in their
bedroom to you know getting to the point
we're playing some of the local bands in
town even that as far as where it seemed
to be a bit of an accident because I
would remember going to these bars my
dad would take me in the pubs because
there was a lot of music in pubs back in
those days like light music and he would
take me to these and I was pretty tough
alized I got a midget now you know how
everybody's six foot seven now you know
six foot one was pretty tall back then
so he would take me to all these pubs
and I start introducing me to the
musicians I remember I used to get like
kind of really excited seeing all these
little ants lineup and everything but
back in the old days when they only had
like these little tiny combos and stuff
and he just would introduce me to the
the guys and then my father would kind
of start blowing my trumpet you know
you're going well he plays guitar you
know and that's how it started then and
I'd get a couple of auditions and then I
after about six months I ended up
planing a couple of local bands and in
there was one band that came to the
house and said well we're a professional
band in you want we want you to cut come
and play with us and like professionally
I was very like it to me then
being a complete imbecile I've been that
way ever since
also I was going no wait a minute this
can't be right you can't you can't make
money out of music Kenny so I didn't do
it but then I started working in these
different jobs bicycle shop the basket
works making baskets
I like that job actually it was good and
then a few mill jobs and then I met this
other guy who played in the band and he
offered me a banding this top-40 guy
called Glen south and that was my first
kind of real professional kind of get
paired to play gig you know and it was
really good because even though it was
pop music I got to build practice during
the day so it was a really really good
really good time I did that for about
five years even less than that maybe
three or four years and then threw a
saxophone player called ray Wallach who
came up with a Musicians Union tour to
Sunderland which is where I was playing
or actually Newcastle local in
neighboring towns and then we went to
the or you know went to like a little
Jam and they said oh you can bring your
instrument so I took my guitar and then
after I played that they you know a
couple of the guys came up to me so they
give us your phone number and then this
one guy ray said I have a spare room at
my flat so if you ever feel like you
want to come to London you can stay
there for free so about six months went
by and I just kept doing the top 40
thing in then I decided I picked up the
phone and I called him I said hey do you
remember me goes yeah I should also off
I went and that was it
to London history pretty much
including me haha now the what the first
record you need was a yeah I did some
things before that bar not gonna admit
to any of them because to me the first
album they did was tempest they'll stick
to that come on here we go my name no I
tell you something that I wasn't on just
for the record even though Donovan says
I was I never ever played on hurdy-gurdy
back it's not me
I've seen that in so many guitar
magazines you know that I played on that
track including one caught from sposa
weed all of them that I did I did not
unless I was so drunk I don't remember
it you know but I didn't play on was
interesting because I think I just
finished I was working with Tony
Williams I came over to play with Tony
which was obviously one of the
highlights of my life to work with such
great great musicians and that's how I
met Allan Pasqua you know unbelievable
and Tony Newton so it was a great thing
for me but financially fell apart you
know and the Kalam ended up getting
stranded in San Francisco and I saw my
guitar to get back home and then I had a
manager at that time called Nicholas
Powell and he was one of Richard
Branson's partners in the Virgin thing
and he introduced me to these guys Gong
he said wow we should try putting a
guitar in this band and thought I would
played with him and that I enjoyed it it
was really great I mean they were they
were good players it was interesting
really interesting to vibe reforms drums
bass guitar it was a great nice
combination and it was really good why
remember about that band
no offense to any of the guys is that
after a while if they get going you know
like the French you know the kind of
maybe similar like a good argument I've
seen they gain to these ferocious
arguments and it would all be in French
you know I couldn't speak French so I
just I just that would be my time that I
could just leave and go to the pub and
maybe all going up Italy now hopefully
we all over when I got back though it
was a good experience and through the
ear acquaintance with the French no
actually that was earlier my hookup with
jean-luc was after I played with Tony
Williams
apparently he heard the recordings that
I've made with Tony and through his
manager Michael Davenport at that time
he contacted he company found me somehow
and asked me if I'd like to come over
and do this album with him which was the
enigmatic ocean record and I did that
you know obviously it was a great
pleasure and in order to do that because
I he's a really amazing musician and I I
really really like him as a guy I mean
he was just very nice to me so I like
it's always nice to work with people
really nice to you know they're too many
Buddy Rich stories are very how you
digging it
yeah I'm digging it do you though you
all issue last night I thought that
album was my name
opinions that probably his finest album
I my favorite album which one well I
liked you too especially for the time
and it's really interesting for me to
look back at you know to see what was
going on and everything's the way the
sounds has changed and everything yeah I
enjoyed it you know you're listening to
stuff let me go oh man like oh ouch so
then you have to think well it was when
he was you know now which came first
people Bruford solo album or UK actually
bills album came first for me if I'd met
bill a few times that I had a couple of
small groups I used to play with in
London various little pubs around and I
used to see bill there and then he
approached me one day and we live close
together he was living in Richmond at
the time and I was living in Kingston
which is pretty close together and he
said like if you want to get together
and like play a little bit or whatever
and he was working on an album but there
was no deterrent Lee at that point which
was the feels good to me album and I
just kind of came in as a session guy
really you know I just was hired to play
some guitar on it and then I guess he
was getting involved with the UK the UK
thing so then they obviously bill
approached them and said hey if you want
to adding guitar player we spend maybe
you should think about Alan because he
played on my solo album so they played
him and stuff in the other Eddie and
John seemed to think it was okay so and
that's how I got the gig with them and
we did that UK album and get some
touring with them and then after that
John and Eddie and Bill and I went our
separate ways and then I ended up doing
Bill's second album one of a kind which
was actually a group at that point it
wasn't I wasn't actually hired as it
just someone to play the guitar was
actually a member of the band you know
but let's just after that I guess I just
kind of started getting the urge to have
my own band and I had all this backlog
of music and I just wanted to do that
and then I ran into Gary husband I met
Gary husband and that was it and when I
when I played with that guy it was game
over I'm good I want to play with that
guy but then so we did and then we
couldn't get arrested you know we can
get a gig that's how we came up with the
name I owe you because he used to cost
us to play how much you want for us to
come and play your place yeah and I'm
not kidding that so it was but I owe you
at least you want
can we play your place now if Gary Gary
obviously went off in a different
direction with chair how did that happen
laughing because we all lived in England
the whole band was English and the Paul
Williams was living in California who's
married to an American girl so they
lived in Tustin you know so when we
first came over we were all kind of
hanging out at Paul's house so then we
did a lot of gigs you know we go we got
gig at the Keystone clubs in San
Francisco that the people along the
Keystone Club booked is up there for one
night through mic Valley it was a big
family like Valley was instrumental in
getting us our first gigs in California
he would contact all these clubs and say
I know you've never heard of these guys
but I'll guarantee you that you'll do
pretty good business so we went and they
were kind of really really happy with
what happened cuz we went from playing
these pubs in London to like ten people
to like 250 to 500 people in a small
club which is you know which is to us it
was like huge you know so and then each
one of these Club the club owners would
call another club owner that club owner
called the guy at Roxy who said I know
you've never owned these guys
give me getting the same thing so I went
well maybe I don't want to go home but
so after he basically I stayed there and
Gary and Paul went back to England
Paul Paul Carmichael the bass player and
then I went through this kind of semi
horrendous setup with Warner Brothers
which Eddie Van Halen who's a wonderful
guy it was really really nice guy great
player and he set us up with the people
at Warner Brothers and he got was a deal
but unbeknownst to me they really didn't
want me to do what I wanted to do but I
really didn't know that at the time you
know it came later so that's how Chad
and Chad chuggin Jeff came into the
picture because they were they were here
yeah so it was like now I still play
with Gary when we go to Europe when if
he's not busy you know and but to do
local gigs if the guys on the other side
of the world it makes it a lot more
difficult so they were just a logistic
thing I didn't know Frank yeah I met
Frank actually through Chad because Chad
was working with him and I got invited
to his house and he was always really
really nice to me I love that guy and we
all miss it yeah else yeah but yeah he
was something else
I think mostly not from receiving stuff
in the mail I think it was more from
people excuse me people that have had a
relationship with the company you know
and they couple of friends friends of
mine that were acquainted with him took
me to the to the oldest factory many
years ago maybe like 20 years ago I mean
then they ladies or whatever yeah I
can't even count anymore
those a while ago and that's how I first
became aware of Calvin and I was always
convinced to the Equality of their stuff
you know and most people think you know
well if it's less expensive it's not as
good than actual facts if that by the
time you bought a guitar from a factory
that's got a name on it by the time it's
gone from the manufacturer to the
wholesaler to the retailer to the store
like guitars like good it cost a
fraction of what it takes to make one of
these days and yet this will come in you
know a lot better quality for a lot less
money overall and I just found that
looks like most companies but you don't
have to like everything but if there's
something that you really really dig
then that's what you know that's what
that's the stuff I'm really using I
approached them a few years ago now at
least six years ago or something and
because I was getting most of my stuff
custom-made but because the guitar
builder is amazing guitar builder but
he's a lot like me too slow you know he
doesn't get anything done and being it
getting old now you know you need to
take out a life insurance policy before
you can order a guitar so the last one
took a while so that's how excited I
went to cabinets could you make me a
guitar that just just make me guitar
I'll pay for it you know there's no no
problem
like I just want you to make me you
can't they said sure and then they said
later on you know well if we make the
guitar and you really like it can we can
we manufacture it and sell it you know
as opposed to it just being a one-off
for two or three details for me and I
said sure and
essentially what happened or you are
when it came time to design your guitar
okay how does one go about that and what
is that what exactly were you looking
for when you put that together well I
was looking for something that was
basically very similar to what I was
already having made by custom guitar
builder so it wasn't really that hard
it wasn't like had to start with a brand
new concept for it you know basically it
was a semi hollow guitar and just your
sound that I like you know they do much
more to me they have a lot more dynamic
range than the you know specialist using
distortion when a guitar with a solid
body just it's just the way it is you
know I think anybody who's ever played a
semi whole guitar knows about anyway you
know like the guys who play three thirty
fives or any guitar that's got a hollow
body it's a different thing well the fat
boy actually was what I wanted them to
the way I wanted it to be built in the
first place but because it was kind of a
learning curve and an experiment you
know we started with this guy which is
hollow but basically it's a solid body
guitar where the body is hollowed out
and then he has a top on it and this
guitar is there's a top Anna back so I
could put my hat if there was Mel back
on top of that you put your hand right
through it and the bracing of the guitar
goes like two little ideas and run down
the center of the guitar and no part of
the top except it from behind the bridge
touches the wood that's on the inside on
the front or the back so it's pretty
flexible and it has a you know that kind
of more hollow characteristic to the
sound which I like I'm going to figure
out a way to cut their head off though
I'm the big head to expand but I'm
talking to Mike about that new design
that changes the time the reverberation
from the body itself
yeah because essentially what it does is
when you've got a hollow a guitar
actually slows down it slows the kind of
slows down some of the tight doesn't
slow down the initial attack you slows
down everything else so it becomes more
dynamic you know you can play a note
softer and even with the destoyed sound
and still get that kind of dynamic
dynamic quality - yeah definitely the
only thing with this is obviously
because the fat by constriction it was
difficult to put the stock kind of
tremolo on it would have to do something
with kind of more customized
so the fat boys don't have the vibrato
bars on them which is okay you don't
need it on everything anyway you get a
car
yeah I do i user I love their power-ups
a couple of their processes they made
but there it was it's kind of old
I know even though I hate those anymore
but mostly the power amps have another
console and I'm a smaller console that I
use for some mixing some synthesizers
and but mostly the guitars and the power
apps essentially that can be 1,000 I
love that thing it's great all right
well it was a it's a really cool idea
because you've designed for keyboards
and so has multiple inputs which is not
normal for a power you know and I just
thought oh maybe I could experiment
blending different amplifiers together
at the power amp you know so yeah it's a
real really interesting amplifier and I
love the way it sounds and as I do with
all of their power on so you know what
parents are great yeah they are compound
or usually but they're great I they just
sound good yes the comments that I'm
getting from all these people that I've
interviewed
is that the cars and stuff it's so
robust and just never had any problems
yeah I've never done any problems
well the time to remind us you know well
you know something that an ally is going
to show all out you know around anyway
you might you might have a problem with
anyway but you know those guys play
football with it the most fragile
stickers on it you put the building and
beat it up like you PS that's man I got
so many so much stuff from UPS I feel
like I hate to rag on UPS but of all the
equipment this Everdene said to me my
whole life there's a 50/50 chance that
if you get it from UPS is going to be
rocking
so it's something fragile I don't
usually do that maybe they can fix that
holes that sorry mother ouch
dan haren it is we're going to wrap it
up soon I won't talk about car in the
company it's been my experience that you
know the guys genuinely care and they do
treat everybody whether you're a little
words or Joe Schmo from Des Moines you
get get good attention
attention to detail a bunch of guitar
players working there it's hard to go
wrong everybody that everybody that I've
come in contact with Calvin is being
absolutely fantastic you know and it's a
family-owned family-run business
my relationship with Mark and all the
stuff he's done
I didn't annoy the CNC Machinists all
the time I told him that I wanted to
change something you know
okay guys are not that guy again he's
going to change something and but no
it's been an absolute pleasure you know
it's been my absolute pleasure to work
needs being absolutely great can ask for
more you know news for anybody to have
that kind of relationship with it
there's very few companies that I've
ever been involved with there maybe one
or two others but I've never
it's definitely being a wonderful
experience for me so thank you guys at
this point in your career you obviously
to play maybe you are know let's go Cal
do that I don't expect ever to be able
to do that either coming up in in a
quick sentence I'm asking everybody the
same question with so many choices out
there
white harvest well like I said didn't
lie my thing was because I had something
a distinct idea about what I wanted and
I approached them because I knew that
I'd really like my friend bunny Brunel
came over to my house one time and he
showed me his bass and I was blown away
with it I mean I it looked amazing you
know in the workmanship and everything I
was looking at my god this cacao is
beautiful and he goes man you should
talk to them because they right down the
street at that time before they moved
and that's when I got the idea that
maybe these guys can build me a really
nice guitar I just go over there and
talk to them and that's why I did so it
was it was easy for me
I just had an idea of what I wanted that
I've seen the quality and and I know
many many years so it was the you know
obvious thing for me to do so that's why
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